#Manchester Councillor proud of city’s record. Finds out emissions up. Still proud.

It began, as so many things do these days, with a tweet. Rebecca Moore, the newest councillor [Labour (of course)] for Withington, proclaimed that it was a Good Thing more people don’t vote Green.


Just for laffs (or “shits and giggles,” as the young folk say)  I asked her a question that I assumed (wrongly) she knew the answer to. “Are the Council’s own emissions down or up?”

I followed it up with the standard disclaimer you have to use unless you want it to see Labour politicians (or ANY politicians, to be fair about this for a moment) reaching for their favourite retort – “you’re a Lib Dem/Green/Ukipper/Monster-raving loonie”.

She is tried to fob me off “nothing to do with me old chum”, ignoring a) the issue and b) the fact that she had been talking about the performance of the Green Party.


She then reached for the “I’m Proud of My City” meme and, inevitably, tried to take on the victim role, claiming that she was being “trolled”.



Before defining troll, let’s have a bit of academia.

“A sometimes effective opposition strategy involves claiming the high ground on the victimization issue. One of the main appeals that issue initiators use is to claim that they have been victimized on economic, physical, sexual, ethnic, racial, age or other grounds. Opponents need to neutralize this claim. One way of doing that is to reverse roles. An opponent claims that it has been victimized by the initiator. If successful, the force of the claim for action is weakened.”

Cobb and Ross, page 33.

Trolling is

The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn’t count as trolling; it’s just flaming, and isn’t funny. Spam isn’t trolling either; it pisses people off, but it’s lame.

The most essential part of trolling is convincing your victim that either a) truly believe in what you are saying, no matter how outrageous, or b) give your victim malicious instructions, under the guise of help.

Trolling is NOT asking the same (relevant) question twice. When you reach for the “you’re a troll” defence you do several things

  • you show that you’re not very confident
  • you give opponents ammunition to suggest that you’re not very bright
  • you debase the actual suffering of people who are on the receiving end of actual trolling


Councillor Moore then (it seems)  read the link I sent her, which shows that Manchester’s emissions are up (this is an admission that had to be dragged out of the Council after great effort, of course).

And did this fact, which she acknowledged, cause any great heart-ache or soul-searching? Did she think twice about her massive pride for Labour’s record? Um, no.


Well, that’s alright then, isn’t it? Because we elect councillors to be happy with Manchester’s emissions going up so long as other councils’ emissions are too. We don’t elect them to have any responsibility for future generations, or for the proper running of the council here in the present.

What do we learn here? That Labour politicians in this city are so unused to scrutiny that it always feels like trolling to them.

That they don’t think they have any individual responsibility for the city’s climate performance.  (It will be interesting to see if Councillor Moore’s name is on the list of people who’ve actually completed their carbon literacy training.  We’ve FoIAed for that list, since despite its promises, the Neighbourhoods Scrutiny Committee clearly wasn’t going to deliver a report on the matter. If she HAS done the Carbon Literacy training, it clearly hasn’t “worked” in her case. If she HASN’T, well, that’s interesting in itself, isn’t it?)

Finally, this. Council Leader Richard Leese was asked about the dangers of single party domination (that’s the politically correct way of saying ‘one party state’). He said:

“We have to ensure we hold ourselves to account within this chamber and we also need to ensure that citizens – and people that have voted for us – are able to hold us to account on an ongoing basis, not just once every 12 months. So it is a challenge. I think it is a challenge for every member of this council but I believe we will demonstrate that as a Labour administration, the people of Manchester were right to put their trust in us.”

And the way that is being applied in practice? Well, you’ve just seen it.


Cobb, R. and Ross, H. (1997) Denying Agenda Access; Strategic Considerations in Cobb and Ross, eds (1997) Cultural Strategies of Agenda Denial: Avoidance, Attack, and Redefinition. Lawrence, KS: University of Kansas Press



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3 Responses to #Manchester Councillor proud of city’s record. Finds out emissions up. Still proud.

  1. It is the old answer, ‘there are others worse than us’, so things are OK. The Brighton Council is divided between three parties, Labour, Conservative and Greens, with the Greens having the chair. The Greens tried to bring in a budget safeguarding council services, but it was voted against by LABOUR and the Conservatives. So a second budget was put forward, which did safeguard council services such as Children Services. Totally opposite to what has happened here in Manchester, with the Labour-controlled council slashing services from the start.
    The other issue in Brighton, was the council’s waste workers, were the council was trying to bring in equal pay for all employees. As male operatives were paid far more than female operatives. But this could not be done by giving the female workers a massive pay rise, especially at this present time. So, some adjustments had to be made to male employees pay, which the GMB rejected. The ‘fly-in-the-ointment’ in Brighton is Caroline Lucas’s ex-Personal Assistance, who should be a member of the Socialist Worker’s Party, not the Green Party. As an ex-member of the GMB, all the union representatives seemed bothered about, was protecting their own pay and pensions. Not about ensure safe working practices, equality or preventing bullying by management.
    For Rebecca Moore to attack Brighton Council, when it is a more democratically representative of the voters than Manchester, must mean she is worried about retaining her seat next time around. Another new councillor, Donna Ludford, Ancoats and Clayton, is allegedly informing her friends, to tell people she is no longer a councillor? Then there is the situation in Hulme, were a replacement for Mary Murphy has been selected but they are not calling for an election to officially replace her?
    I am also not a member of any political party or union.

  2. James Thorp says:

    I’ve emailed Cllr Moore & Cllr Smith (as my ward Cllr) to ask for a response with the same indicators for Manchester so I can compare like-for-like.
    I imagine such party political nonsense will increase towards May 2015…

  3. The Governments figures for local authority emissions, only go up to 2012: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/local-authority-emissions-estimates. What they show, is that all authority’s emissions had risen from from 2011 to 2012. Manchester’s from 2,745.2 to 2,944.8 kTonnes CO2, per capita emissions rising from 5.5 to 5.8. Whilst Brighton and Hove’s emissions rose from 1,159.4 to 1,259.1 kTonnes CO2, per capita emissions rising from 4.2 to 4.6.
    On Brighton & Hove’s web-site, Labour councillors are all down as Labour and Cooperative Party. But their web-site just says Labour. And the top story on their site, is the defection of a Labour councillor to UKIP: http://www.brightonhovelabour.com/labour_reaction_to_councillor_joining_ukip. So what if Labour perorm as Brighton & Hove Labour Party?

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